Lawyers Who Learn

#10 Learning Through Opening Doors

In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, we dive into the inspiring journey of Angelica Cesario, Vice President of Learning Solutions at Lawline. Angelica shares her path from a family deeply rooted in the values of hard work and education, through her formative experiences at prestigious institutions like Spence School and Amherst College, to impactful roles in civil rights law and legal education.
Discover how mentors and opportunities, such as the Teagle Fellowship, shaped her career and led her to her current role at Lawline, where she combines her legal expertise with a passion for innovative content development and strategic growth. Angelica also discusses her commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI), her work to create inclusive learning environments, and her focus on empowering attorneys through high-quality educational opportunities.
Fluent in Spanish, Portuguese, and Italian, Angelica's story highlights the power of perseverance, mentorship, and lifelong learning in driving success in legal careers. Join us for this compelling conversation and gain valuable insights into how education and connection can inspire growth and meaningful change in the legal profession.

#9 Learning Through Being in An Alternative Career

In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, Lawline's CEO David Schnurman dives into the career path of Shahed Kader, an attorney who transitioned from a decade-long career in SaaS sales to founding his own law firm focused on legal services for technology companies. The conversation highlights the importance of lifelong learning, mentorship, and practical strategies for integrating legal education into a full-time career. Shahed shares insights on overcoming challenges, the value of sales experience, and leveraging CLE courses and AI tools like Lawline for continuous learning and professional growth. The episode ends with a discussion on the future of law, emphasizing flexibility, entrepreneurial spirit, and the transformative potential of AI in legal practice.

#5 Learning Through Implementing Value-Based Pricing in Law Firms (Alternative Pricing 1 of 4)

In part 1 of the Lawyers Who Learn series on Alternative Pricing, host David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, chats with Shaun Jardine, author of Ditch the Billable Hour and CEO of Big Yellow Penguin. Shaun shares his journey from traditional billing practices to implementing a value-based pricing model in his law firm. Together they explore the the challenges of shifting from billable hours to value-based pricing, and the impact of AI on the future of legal practice.
Key topics include implementing change management, client communication, and the importance of scoping work accurately. Shaun also provides practical steps for law firms interested in adopting value-based pricing and discusses the significance of learning from peers and leveraging innovative pricing strategies.

#6 Learning Through Starting a Subscription Practice (Alternative Pricing 2 of 4)

In part 2 of the Lawyers Who Learn series on Alternative Pricing, host David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, welcomes Mathew Kerbis, a passionate advocate for subscription models in the legal industry. They discuss the nuances of value-based pricing versus traditional billing, the importance of continuous education, and the potential of AI tools like Descript. Matthew shares his transition from big law to owning a subscription-based solo practice, emphasizing the power of mentorship and teaching as fundamentally intertwined with law practice. Tune in to get inspired and gain insights on adopting innovative legal service models to grow your legal career. Mathew has also taught several courses on Lawline on AI and value-based pricing, which can be found at the link below.Courses on Lawline

#7 Learning the Importance of Law Firm Pricing Strategy (Alternative Pricing 3 of 4)

In part 3 of the Lawyers Who Learn series on Alternative Pricing, Lawine CEO David Schnurman interviews Eddie Hartman, co-founder of LegalZoom and partner at Simon-Kucher, about the intricacies of pricing strategies within the legal industry. Eddie shares his career journey from tech enthusiast and lawyer to consultant specializing in pricing strategy for AmLaw 100 firms and legal tech companies.
The conversation delves into the nuances of pricing, highlighting the importance of value perception, the challenges of traditional hourly rates, and the potential impact of AI on legal pricing models. Eddie also provides insights into how future law firms might adapt their pricing strategies to better align with client expectations and technological advancements.

#8 Learning Beyond the Billable Hour: Transforming Client Relationship (Alternative Pricing 4 of 4)

In part 4 of the Lawyers Who Learn series on Alternative Pricing, Gwen Griggs, Managing Director of Advos Legal and Co-Founder of Advos Pro, shares her transformative journey from traditional billable hours to value-based pricing.
With Lawline's CEO David Schnurman, Gwen dives into the strategies that reshaped her legal practice: Embracing project management to deliver what clients need—on time and transparently. Building business models that value efficiency and client satisfaction. Creating a law firm where people—clients and team members alike—come first.
Beyond pricing, Gwen’s insights into forming supportive legal communities and coaching programs remind us of the endless possibilities when lawyers think beyond the billable hour.
Don’t miss this inspiring discussion that’s reshaping the future of legal practice. Gwen's approach shows how law firms can evolve for greater profitability, client loyalty, and fulfillment.

#4 Learning Through Participating in Bar Service

In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, interviews Cali Franks-Field, a Texas-licensed attorney, CLE content creator, and advocate for lifelong learning. As a Program Attorney at Lawline, Cali works with top legal professionals to produce engaging CLE content and serves in leadership roles with the Dallas Association of Young Lawyers, ABA Young Lawyers Division, and Texas Young Lawyers Association. Based in Dallas-Fort Worth, she also honors her family’s legacy by serving on the board of the Dallas Firefighter’s Museum.
Cali shares how bar service has shaped her career, advancing her professionally and personally. She discusses how these experiences offer unique leadership opportunities, enabling young lawyers to develop skills beyond traditional law firm roles. Cali’s mantra, "There’s no one right way to be a lawyer," encourages attorneys to explore non-traditional paths and embrace lifelong learning.
Whether you’re new to bar associations or looking to grow as a leader, this episode is filled with insights to inspire your next steps. Tune in and see how bar service can transform your legal career!

#3 Learning Through a Panic Attack

In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, David Schnurman sits down with Daniel Gershburg, who opens up about starting his own practice, teaching CLE courses, and even navigating a panic attack during an in-person CLE presentation with Lawline. They discuss effective learning strategies, the importance of authenticity, and the transformative role of lifelong learning in personal and professional growth.The episode also touches on leadership, management, and finding happiness in the legal profession. --Daniel Gershburg is a partner at Konner Gershburg Melnick Darouvar in New York City, where he specializes in real estate and bankruptcy law. With nearly two decades of experience, he’s known for his practical, client-centered approach, helping individuals navigate complex real estate transactions and Chapter 7 bankruptcies.

#2 Learning Through Networking and Peer Groups

In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, we sit down with Rachel Clar, founder of Interconnected Us, to discuss how meaningful connections can transform a legal career. Rachel shares her journey in establishing peer networks for women attorneys, creating spaces that foster trust, collaboration, and personal development. She reveals the unique benefits of her “inner circle” concept for women lawyers—where empathy and strategy converge to support career advancement. From the art of reaching out to the value of surrounding oneself with mentors and allies, Rachel’s insights offer a blueprint for attorneys seeking to strengthen their professional networks and harness the power of community for long-term success.

#1 The Birth of Lawline: Learning Through Taking Calculated Risks

In this compelling episode of Lawyers Who Learn, Lawline CEO David Schnurman interviews his father, Alan Schnurman, exploring the origins of Lawline's launch 25 years ago and its evolution into the leading provider of online continuing legal education. Alan shares insights on the calculated risks and strategic decisions that contributed to the company’s success, despite challenges in the early internet age. The episode highlights stories of resilience, from overcoming adversity to achieving professional triumphs. It also delves into the integration of AI in legal education, real estate investment strategies, and the importance of maintaining strong professional relationships. This engaging discussion offers inspiration and valuable lessons in innovation, continuous learning, and personal growth.
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